The Same Deep Water As You (19/54)
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The Same Deep Water As You
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solo____ & jo_lasalle Pairing: Kamenashi Kazuya / Akanishi Jin
Rating: Explicit
Disclaimer: This is a work of fiction. Alternate Universe fiction. None of this is true.
Warnings: If there are any warnings for this story, you will find them here.
Summary: Kame's got his reasons for seeing prostitutes. Jin's got his reasons for being one. Life is pretty screwed up.
Notes: Story notes, acknowledgements and frantically reiterated disclaimers are here.
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He can focus when he's in bed with his wife, who deserves a lot better from him.
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Date: 2011-07-14 09:33 am (UTC)I dont know about kame, so confused like that>____<
"He owes the man an explanation, and a more honest one than the one he gave Ootomo"
Thats mean, Kame will gave Jin a explanation??
Cant wait for the next^^
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Date: 2011-07-14 07:27 pm (UTC)Sorry for confusion, we do hope even more will become clear. Thank you for commenting, and hope you enjoy next week!
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Date: 2011-07-14 12:27 pm (UTC)The cliffhanger! You mean mean people.（ToT）
I loved this chapter, -this is fast becoming a usual occurrence, really. I might have felt a bit deranged when I caught myself compulsively refreshing the site around nine thirty. I mean, seriously, all OCD and shit. Yeah. Moving on.
It feels like the first real glimpse into Kame's mind. Not that he hasn't been thinking so far, -no really, your Kame does nothing but. Not complaining though, I love confused-angsting!Kame,- but he's been, uh, biased I guess? Now he's finally starting to grasp the facts and see things for what they are, and trying to right them and it's so good. All the talk about apologizing to Jin sort of made me cackle a bit. I can't wait to see him try (and I really hope Jin makes him work for it now that he can. Yeah. That'd be endlessly amusing. I am a bad person. ∑(O_O；))
It sort of amazes me, how Kame still manages to feel more like the whore out of the both of them; always worried, always struggling to please -well, everyone but Jin anyway-, constantly feeling judged, looked down on. He really is a bit of a mess, isn't him? Kame, where's your self-esteem, you poor thing? *pats*
Aa... as usual, thanks so much for sharing the brilliance that this is, I promise I'll (one day) try to come up with something a bit more insightful to write in my comments -well the story deserves it anyway, and I keep wanting to, but I'm afraid it won't happen today either, so um, you'll just have to put up with the random rambling until then, ta! :'D
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Date: 2011-07-14 12:42 pm (UTC)I misstyped.
The SHAME.
*facepalm*
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Date: 2011-07-14 07:32 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-07-14 07:30 pm (UTC)Okay not really. But we're happy when our cliffhangers work. :-)
Yeah, you're right, our Kame thinks constantly - thoughts like a little hamster in a wheel. Just sometimes not productive. As for what Jin will do when Kame explains... hee, you'll see! You'll need to tell us what you think of it (and whether it's suitably amusing!) we might be bad people too.
That comment about Kame feeling more like the whore... we love that comment! Very, very good point. Or maybe just as much a whore, but different. Something like that. (They both have hard lives, poor dears.)
Thank you for your rambling, we found it very insightful indeed!
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Date: 2011-07-14 09:58 pm (UTC)I actually find it nothing short of hilarious that it's easier for me to sympathize with Kame than with Jin, because somehow I think Jin would be the more obvious choice, -as in, something we don't know the details to but appears quite gruesome and life-threatening really happened to him, whereas Kame is as far as we know uh... angsting over a bad break-up? Um, a very bad very public break-up apparently, but still. And yet, while I do occasionally feel bad for your Jin (you mistreat him and whatnot! D: ), I really, really pity Kame. All the time.
Maybe because your Jin seems perceptive and can (sort of) look after himself? LOL. I have no idea. Will think about that. Now thoug, I'm thinking this will make an excellent read (reread?) for my 12-hour flight next Monday, since I'll probably be too exhausted during the next two weeks to read the new chapters... I just hope I can find enough ink and paper around to print it all out (this monstrosity! I should have printed it at work!) ^^
And maybe that way I can link things together, -it's easier on paper you know, I keep getting sidetracked by the internet fairies when I read online, I'm easily distracted,- because it's been way too long since I read some chapters and who knows, maybe I've forgotten things? (OMG MAYBE I'LL SPOT SOMETHING I MISSED?! Now that's exciting...)
I think it might be, you know, different somehow, reading the earlier chapters again after... some of the latest developments, and maybe then I can give you some proper feedback on the first 10 or so chapters that I read straight through with barely 2 hours of sleep in between (that's how I spend my time when I get a few days free at work; rest, healthy habits and all that jazz, that's for pussies, I say!! D: )
And what did that have to do with anything...? God I rant. (O_o)
PS: Paper shortage is serious problem, okay?!
Poor trees.
Date: 2011-07-15 08:00 am (UTC)I'm exactly the same! I print pretty much everything I read seriously, actually, just because it's a much nicer experience. I get way more absorbed when something is on front of me on paper and not on a screen. (The trees will thank me when I finally get an eReader. Oh, Sony, why so slow...)
Anyway, this random drop-in comment that TOTALLY FAILS TO ADDRESS YOUR AWESOME COMMENTARY is mostly to say, if you are going to bother with printing, it might be useful to know that if you go to the story on the Ao3 archive, you can actually choose somewhere in the menu/drop down boxes to display the whole story as one, i.e. you don't have to fiddle with cutting&pasting chapters. Thought that might be helpful! LINKY! (http://archiveofourown.org/works/170819?view_full_work=true)
Re: Poor trees.
Date: 2011-07-15 10:16 am (UTC)That is indeed helpful!! Thank you! :D
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Date: 2011-07-15 06:29 pm (UTC)I can really empathize with your Kame
*cough* We don't know if this should be grounds for worry...
But, no, we're really pleased Kame has your sympathy. It was truly our no.1 worry at some point, that he just went too far for people. (He did surprise us a time or two, so we consider ourselves only partially responsible!) And the contrast of how the Jin stuff works differently for you than the Kame stuff was really, really interesting to read about.
It is true that Jin is more together than Kame in some ways; he has his issues and he's not always his own best friend, but still. Very interesting...
We would find it sooooo interesting what you make of the older chapters reading them back with what you know now. Really! Having said that, we know how life can get in the way and you sound incredibly busy, so don't let our salivating over comment prospects make you feel guilty if it turns out you don't get around to it. we try to salivate discreetly and with minimum mess
We are very honoured you spent your free time marathoning this the first time around, and we apologize for any, uh, inconvenience it may have caused. *g*
Have a good flight, and we hope the exhaustion (sounds like business not pleasure...) won't be too horrible!
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Date: 2011-07-15 08:02 pm (UTC)I'm not going to lie, the thought did cross my mind when I typed that! DDD: Disturbing...
(sounds like business not pleasure...)
I'm hoping it'll be a bit of both, actually! :D I've never been there before, so I'm fully intending to go sightseeing -and all that other shady stuff tourists do, you know- if/when I can! I'm stupidly excited about it really (^o^)
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Date: 2011-07-14 01:53 pm (UTC)I liked hearing more about his relationship with his wife too. He really is a good actor, and smart to use his not-there-attraction to his wife as an actual advantage, for her own benefit. Clever.
And he sees his relations with his wife as duty, and with the excorts as desire and connection.
What about love Kame-chan?
It's really natural how Kame goes from thinking about breakfast and the weather to his problems that he's trying so hard NOT to think about, except whenever you try not to think about something that's ALL you can think about, and that comes across really well in here. Sorry if that was confusing XD. And then he goes back to thinking about work and then right back into his issues. It's so realistic.
I admire how the fans for the most part kept their cool when meeting Kame. I'm a pretty mellow person but idk if I could do that.
Yes Kame! Tell Jin what's wrong! I'm so glad he wants to fix things with Jin, and honestly I'm a little surprised he still admits to wanting Jin and plans to be with him again now that he's realised he looks like his ex. I really hope Kame doesn't change his mind and actually gives Jin the apology he deserves. I wonder how Jin will take it as well...
This chapter was shorter but I think it revealed quite a bit, which I like more than when you guys drag it out forever and WON'T TELL US ANYTHING. And we got to get a bit more inside Kame's head, and it's a pretty screwed up place. Poor Kame.
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Date: 2011-07-14 07:50 pm (UTC)We love your cackling at the end of this. Either this story is rubbing off on you or you kinda like the angst, too. Admit it. *g*
More seriously, we're very pleased to hear what you made of the parts about his wife and the backstory, which for once is clearer in Kame's mind -- and like you say, he can't dodge it no matter how good his repression skillz usually are. We really appreciate your comments on the writing and how Kame's thought processes work, that makes us as authors very happy.
What about love Kame-chan?
:-( Such a good question.
I admire how the fans for the most part kept their cool when meeting Kame. I'm a pretty mellow person but idk if I could do that.
Heeee. ALSO a good question -- who knows what we'd do. Probably be tongue-tied and embarrassed.
Kame is very glad he wasn't squealed at right there, though. Got off easy. :-)
I really hope Kame doesn't change his mind and actually gives Jin the apology he deserves. I wonder how Jin will take it as well...
La la la mystery and we WON'T TELL YOU ANYTHING, HA HA HA. *G* Um. Except on the coming Thursday(s), of course.
But without the evil glee, we are very glad you're this intrigued. And also asking all the right questions
even if we can't answer. We are sorry for some of the dragging out, and glad the revealed stuff seems to be working well and providing at least some satisfaction!Hope you enjoy no-longer-quite-so-poor Jin next week!
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Date: 2011-07-18 03:17 pm (UTC)"La la la mystery and we WON'T TELL YOU ANYTHING, HA HA HA." --WELL BIG SHOCKER THERE NOW ISN'T IT?! *checks calendar then kicks it*
Great. Right questions, and no answers. That's always lovely. This better be worth it by the end. *shakes fist*
Very much looking forward to Jin's POV on Thurday! btw I noticed in another comment on here that Kame is older than Jin in this fic? By four years. That's actually quite difficult for me to picture, but it makes it even easier for me to see Jin fitting in the 'bottom' roll I guess, even though I think they both fit either just fine. There's no real point in bringing this up really other than me stating surprise about that, so um yeah. Can't wait for the next update :]
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Date: 2011-07-14 02:44 pm (UTC)Poor Kame. Now that he's not, you know, going insane, he's really quite a reasonable lad. His whole thing with Midori breaks my heart because he doesn't deserve her but he shouldn't have to hide in a marriage either. I caught that it says he lied to her, but surely she must know about the scandal (assuming there was one about Souji) if she's in the same field as him.
I'm not sure if my memory is broken, but is Kame supposed to be older than Jin in this storyline? How old is he approximately?
I'm looking forward to when he finally talks to Jin, though I'm not sure Jin is. ;)
Thanks for another wonderful chapter! I may not be able to comment on the next two until two weeks later as I'm going away, but looking forward to them!
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Date: 2011-07-14 07:43 pm (UTC)Sounds like the state our Kame is in...
I caught that it says he lied to her, but surely she must know about the scandal (assuming there was one about Souji) if she's in the same field as him.
She knows about the scandal, but Kame lied to everybody and said it all wasn't true, and his agency paid quite a bit to make the thing go away. And Midori believed him. So yes, she knows there was a scandal and what it did and how paranoid he is about it now, but she doesn't know there was any truth behind it.
I'm not sure if my memory is broken, but is Kame supposed to be older than Jin in this storyline? How old is he approximately?
It's not broken at all! Kame is 25, Jin is 21.
Yeah, you'll see how Jin feels about it when we ... get there. :-)
Oh, where are you going to be, can you tell us? We'll miss you, but we hope you have fun wherever you are. (And thank you for letting us know. We admit we might just have gotten worried and been all 'is Saya not liking it anymore? DDD:' This is nice for occasionally neurotic writers.)
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Date: 2011-07-14 09:11 pm (UTC)I am awaiting a befuddled Jin.
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Date: 2011-07-14 02:52 pm (UTC)So Midori doesn’t know about his previous love?? Woah…That is going to be tough. This means he has to tell the truth to both Midori and Jin. I think he should talk about it to Jin first but he has to tell his wife too. Though Kame does not want his wife to feel unloved, it sounds like he is doing just that with her. It sounds so forced since he treats it like duty.
This sounds so mean, “Souji kept saying that was the only thing he cared about, anyway” But I am guessing he must have hurt and ignored Souji so much before which is why he feels haunted by memories now, after 3.5 years. This is just so sad. What exactly happened Kame????
And while I think Kame’s resolve to sort out his mess with Jin would be best, he does owe Jin the REAL truth but I really am wondering if it will go well. Will Jin be willing to have an audience with Kame in the first place. Jin completely hates him now. :(
Kame is such a depressed soul!.... And you were right! This chapter has brought back my love for Kame. I just want to give him a real big hug! *Hugs Kame*
Thanks for sharing and I am looking forward to the conversation between Kame and Jin though I might be alittle pessimist and say the talk is not going to happen too soon.
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Date: 2011-07-14 07:56 pm (UTC)Midori knows about the guy himself but not that Kame really was in love with him. She knows him as 'the guy who went to the papers and told them Kame was his gay boyfriend who dumped him for his career', and she thinks it was all a lie because that's what Kame said to everybody.
And yeah... Kame has some major explaining to do to lots of people. Trouble is, he's really too worried about his career to even start. So...
And while I think Kame’s resolve to sort out his mess with Jin would be best, he does owe Jin the REAL truth but I really am wondering if it will go well.
Good question, yes. But we're not saying, MWAAHAHAHA!
Kame totally needs your hugs. He's a poor little woobie, when he's not terrifying equally poor little woobie whores. If Kame got more hugs, from the right people, he'd be so much saner.
Well, it's going to happen soon....ish. :)
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Date: 2011-07-14 06:05 pm (UTC)Thanks for the update! :)
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Date: 2011-07-14 07:56 pm (UTC)Thank you for commenting!
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Date: 2011-07-14 07:07 pm (UTC)this is my first time commenting on this fic...not bc im lazy but bc i never knew what to say.
i was just so confused on why Kame was like that towards Jin.
Im glad he finally sorted out what was going on with himself.
I wonder how he is going to explain it to Jin.
How will Jin react?
i srsly want to know!
Thanks so much for the update!
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Date: 2011-07-14 08:01 pm (UTC)Explaining it to Jin is going to be quite a challenge. You'll see... eventually. First we have to get Jin to even listen to him.
Thanks for saying hi and the feedback, that's always great for authors! We hope next week won't disappoint!
PS: your icon is very cute. :-)
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Date: 2011-07-15 12:54 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2011-07-15 06:47 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-07-15 06:30 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-07-15 09:51 am (UTC)Both of you and your story definitely deserve a better reader than me but from now on I try to improve. ;) And I'd like to start with this comment.
First of all I think I commented only once or twice previously due to the reasons mentioned above plus being busy with studying for exams recently but I felt the urge to let you know that it didn't mean the chapters I skipped commenting on weren't worth it.
Quite the opposite actually because the chapters about the last encounter between Kame and Jin (the one which turned from "threesome" into hell for Jin xD) left me almost speechless but overflowing with excitement. Since I shamelessly enjoyed every freaking second of Kame dragging this out I guess I have some kind of sadistic side in me as well. ^^;
And the sudden change of Kame's twisted personality made it even more intriguing. <3
I had to mention this part not only because it was a sex scene (and I like those) but even more because of the mere intensity (physically AND mentally!) that was portrayed in it. Additionally your excellent writing style made this into my most favorite part so far though I have no doubt that you're even able to exceed it and I'm really looking forward to it. <3
About the last two chapters I'd like to say that I was glad about a little bit more revelation. Furthermore it's nice to know that the management finally acknowledged Jin's misery (even though Kame and Yuya had to trigger it) and Kame acknowledged his own misery.
Honestly speaking it doesn't make him saner xD but a little bit more human. And I'd love to find out more about his creepy mental state.<-(that doesn't sound like what I actually meant but I'm still not a pro in English so please bear with me ._.)
I really hope that I don't bore you with my ranting but I still have some praising to offer. XD
I'm currently reading a few AK fanfictions and most of them started out rather nice (though nothing really outstanding or unique) but now it's lacking a little bit or it got stuck.
In case of your story it started out rather weird to read but chapter after chapter I got more intrigued and meanwhile I catch myself looking at the calendar to count the days until next Thursday just to rush to my computer in order to read the chapter eagerly, being in awe afterwards and at the same time getting frustrated because it's beginning to dawn on me that I have to wait a whole week again until the story continues.... which often leads to re-reading the chapter within the following days just because reading it once it was over too fast.
Does that qualify me to be an addict? XDDDDD
Ok, that's it for now.
I hope this comment was able to excuse the lack of previous comments. ^^; If not, my exam is finished next week so after that there is more time again to follow this story properly. :D
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Date: 2011-07-15 06:28 pm (UTC)We're really glad you decided to
try to improvetalk to us! And we're really glad you like the story, and heeee we're quite proud of ourselves for the evilness of those treesome etc chapters, only if you knew how nervous we were before posting them... >_>LOL, no, poor Kame just doesn't get saner. yet But the poor boy is very very human, even if Jin sees him as some Evil Mastermind. 'Creepy' isn't a bad word for his mental state at all... definitely unhealthy. Sometimes we feel a little guilty at what we've done to him.
Anyway, we love that the intensity worked for you, and that it worked on the different levels like we hoped! Not going to comment on your sadistic side, no no no. ;-)
Eh. Bore us? You can write us stuff like this for days and we'll probably quote it back and forth at each other going 'and did you notice where she(?) said X??' 'and Y??' Authors never get enough of ranting praise!!!
Though we laughed when you said we started out 'rather weird'. Not because you're wrong!! We knew it was... well, yeah, weird; there's a lot of setup and it's right into the middle of things and we did wonder if people would just go 'Eh? WTF?' -- but it was also important to us to build the world before we built the action, so... that's how the weirdness happened. We're glad you stuck with it despite that and for long enough to write us such a lovely comment.
Does that qualify me to be an addict? XDDDDD
Mmmm...maybe? MWAAAAHAHAHA! OTOH, we might easily get addicted to your comments too. Already looking forward to next week! ;-)
(Jo noticed you're in Germany too and waves from Some Other German place. *wave*)
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Date: 2011-07-20 06:41 am (UTC)And don't feel guilty for what you're doing to your characters. I actually prefer such twisted/wicked personalities instead of the normal lovey-dovey ones. *gg*
(Oh also Germans ^____^ Wow, then I should praise your English skills even more because I really thought you both are from an English speaking country.)
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Date: 2011-07-15 09:38 pm (UTC)I'd like to see if Lame follows through with his plans with Jin.
Thanks for sharing. Til next week...
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Date: 2011-07-15 09:39 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-07-16 06:56 pm (UTC)You will see... eventually. And then you will see what happens then. ...they said mysteriously.
Thank you for commenting, it's great to hear from you.
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Date: 2011-07-16 09:08 pm (UTC)Sooooo much.
This fic makes me cry T_T and I love it.
Thanks girls!!!!!
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Date: 2011-07-17 10:00 am (UTC)We're glad you find the story so... uh, engaging!
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Date: 2011-07-16 10:42 pm (UTC)To the last one, basically I'm happy Jin finally got a bit of confidence
and back-upI'm pretty sure he won't stay on the "winnind" side
that sounds so ridiculous considering his overall situationbut at least something changed for him to the positive.Kame...Kame, Kame, what should I say. I'm sure he didn't have it easy either but I still can't sympathize with him for the situation he's in.
From the bits and peaces we got to know, he's responsible for losing the love of his life (not to mention the screw up with 'his look-alike')
I know that the world he's living in doesn't allow him to be the person he wants to be but he's still free to chose what to do
not like other people in other certain situationsDestroying his real 'him', his real desires is one thing but nothing excuses the lies he built up to cover a life he's not ready to stand up for. (See me here, talking big haha)
Why am I even defending Midori, I don't even care about her!?^^
I'm happy things seem to progress at least in some way.
And these ones are nice, he can tell that much from looking. Not the other kind he gets, from fifteen to fifty, the kind in whose eyes he can read just what they really want from him, who'd buy him if they could. These are fans who just like him, like and respect his work.
When I read this sentences, I wanted to take it and smash it into Kame's face over and over again until he realizes what he just thought.
Yes, Kame, people appreciate getting treated with respect and aren't just reduced on the work they do! People don't want to be seen as something you'd buy if you just can, buying and using them.
Mark your own thoughts!
Thanks for the two lighter chapters, I appreciate that!^^ But they were still too short haha
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Date: 2011-07-17 10:01 am (UTC)We miiiiiisssed youuuuuuu! Welcome back! :-)
Your assessment of Kame made us bounce. A lot. And we bounced even more that you were defending Midori because (ha ha!) you are meant to care about her. So there! It's not her fault and she's a nice girl, and what Kame is doing to her is Not Nice.
But what made us squee most was this:
When I read this sentences, I wanted to take it and smash it into Kame's face over and over again until he realizes what he just thought.
Yes, Kame, people appreciate getting treated with respect and aren't just reduced on the work they do! People don't want to be seen as something you'd buy if you just can, buying and using them.
Conversation between Solo and Jo:
Solo: Haaahaha did you see that there, with the fans?
Jo: Yes!!!! Excellent! :-)
Solo: It worked! :))))))
Jo: We R Jinius! Our readers are Jinius!!!
Solo: Everyone is Jinius, YAY!
But they were still too short haha
GrrrrRRRRRRRRrrrr.
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Date: 2011-07-17 10:19 am (UTC)I'm glad you were happy about my comment, I know that it's nice when people point out even small details, makes you feel your hard work gets appreciated.
I'm a sucker for hidden meanings, details and reading between the lines.