The Same Deep Water As You (24/54)
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The Same Deep Water As You
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solo____ & jo_lasalle Pairing: Kamenashi Kazuya / Akanishi Jin
Rating: Explicit
Disclaimer: This is a work of fiction. Alternate Universe fiction. None of this is true.
Warnings: If there are any warnings for this story, you will find them here.
Summary: Kame's got his reasons for seeing prostitutes. Jin's got his reasons for being one. Life is pretty screwed up.
Notes: Story notes, acknowledgements and frantically reiterated disclaimers are here.
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"That's pretty horrible." Quiet; so soft it creeps under his skin, knowing and intrusive...
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Date: 2011-08-18 07:39 am (UTC)But it probably brought them nearer together then they both realise at the moment.
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Date: 2011-08-19 01:22 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-08-18 08:14 am (UTC)I'm hoping this is as rock bottom as it gets.
Must digest further...
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Date: 2011-08-18 02:56 pm (UTC)I am curious about how bad he must have looked for Jin to lower his defenses to that extent. It's insane that someone in Jin's position should be so vulnerable, so... innocent. After it happened his reaction almost seemed like he didn't expect what happened to happen. All the dub-con senses were tingling and I couldn't start breathing easily again until Jin said much much later "I offered".
The bath scene, the clean up and the drive were all so curiously muted and domestic compared to, well, earlier. It's also a new type of interaction between them that we haven't seen before, soft, polite, not because they have to but because they want to... apologize or comfort or something.
This is the most broken Kame has been and this is the least I've understood him.. you ladies wrote his mental breakdown brilliantly and despite my earlier shock, by the end of the chapter I was in awe at how you could turn things around and make us feel horrible for him. Honestly, at that point I was expecting something really bad to happen.. like an accident. (Watched too many kdramas or something..).
Think I need to reread this now that I've gotten over the *ahem* shock. ^__^
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Date: 2011-08-19 01:37 pm (UTC)Thank you for this excellent comment. We're a bit sorry at the thought of traumatizing you, though otoh not really because your perceptions tell us we've been doing something right, and yeah, we like it if your head was spinning because you were supposed to be inside Kame's head and he wasn't keeping it together well.
We are also very happy you kept reading despite your shock, and that you came around to feeling for Kame. (Trufax, we didn't actually write this in order to be shocking; there was a very memorable moment when we realised, 'it has to be this. damn. it has to be this,' followed by quite a bit of 'argh'.) So we're kind of relieved that we did manage to turn it around so you felt for Kame at the end.
I am curious about how bad he must have looked for Jin to lower his defenses to that extent.
Very very bad. And, well, Jin is... Jin. >.<
The consent issue here is also very very muddled. Jin was definitely consenting (it was his idea!) but we totally understand the dub-con vibes you were getting, because obviously this didn't happen in a vacuum, and of course Jin didn't react entirely as he had thought...
muted and domestic
:D That's good. We figured they both had a bit of a shock from which they needed to recover, and they'd be... cautious, and a little out of it. It sounds like that worked.
Honestly, at that point I was expecting something really bad to happen.. like an accident. (Watched too many kdramas or something..).
HEART DISEASE. Exciting plot turn in chapter 25! ;-)
Thank you so much for commenting and for sticking with us! ♥
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Date: 2011-08-18 10:30 am (UTC)Last chapter, I read this… “And if Kamenashi still wants to be an ass… Jin's got the upper hand now” But in this chapter, what happened to having the upper hand Jin? Where was your resolve?? What made you even suggest that Kame could piss on you?
Though the build up of my tears started right from the moment Kame pissed, right here almost at the end when they parted after Kame gave Jin a lift, I just felt so bad for the two. Why did their relationship or whatever their status is turn out like that? "Okay," Kame says, and now he's staring at his hands after all. "Okay, well, then. I hope you get home okay. And…" He shrugs helplessly. "I'm sorry." "I hope you get home okay, too. Drive carefully," Jin says.
Like they are both such good and nice people and yet the situations have just not been favourable for them. If I ever meet Souji, I would wring his neck for making Kame so twisted. Kame would not have done it under normal situations…
Its so sad when Kame realized he had caused Jin’s clothes which were probably bought from Seiyu to be soiled. Its so heartbreaking. Even before when he went looking for a shirt and sweatpants and jacket and just the scene when Jin was seating at the edge of the bathtub. Its depressing… :(((
But I saw a glimmer of hope when Jin passed Kame a peanut bar. It just seems like Jin just has such a huge heart… and I am not sure if he knows he is probably allowing Kame to heal by allowing him to vent his anger out on him.
This was such a disturbing chapter though I hope that things would turn around for Kame and he doesn’t beat himself too much over it.
Thanks for sharing and See you next week!!^^
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Date: 2011-08-19 01:53 pm (UTC)DDD: We're sorry for the crying, but we want to hug you for this comment.
But in this chapter, what happened to having the upper hand Jin? Where was your resolve??
We hope that will become a little clearer next chapter, but in short, what happened to Jin's resolve was Kame looking like a total wreck. And yeah, he wasn't going to put up with Kamenashi being an ass anymore, but then at the point when Jin was, erm, considering options, Kame wasn't really being an ass.
Like they are both such good and nice people and yet the situations have just not been favourable for them.
Yeah. Two screwed up people meeting under screwed up circumstances...
If I ever meet Souji, I would wring his neck for making Kame so twisted.
This makes us grin. It's kind of cool you're so angry on behalf of Kame, even though Kame has been acting in a less than stellar fashion so far. *g*
Even before when he went looking for a shirt and sweatpants and jacket and just the scene when Jin was seating at the edge of the bathtub.
As authors, we're pleased these parts very so vivid for you. Though we feel a bit guilty for making you all depressed...
You are totally right about the glimmer of hope. Things are happening now. In slightly unexpected ways, but they are breaking out of their pattern.
See you next week, and thank you for this wonderful comment!
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Date: 2011-08-18 12:54 pm (UTC)I can't really be blamed, can I? He did make it pretty clear in previous chapters, -as well as after the fact! And god, I found that endlessly amusing(^^)- that it's not something he can stand to even think about; he's freaked out over lighter stuff before, and now, just. Just. Why, Jin, why?
And still on the topic of Jin! (I'm blaming this sudden Jin-related outburst on the fact that I've only talked about Kame in previous comments. Jin obviously had to make an appearance at some point, the attention-seeking dork D: )
Anyway!
I love how he's so strong, emotionally, mentally -well, better at keeping it together than Kame anyhow, though I doubt that's all that hard!- but at the same time he's... sort of childlike in his reactions, or maybe just really innocent somehow, I guess? I find that strangely endearing. Even back when I thought he was just being an asshole, I couldn't bring myself to actually dislike him, not really, because. Yeah. That.
And the way he stopped being "the whore" to Kame halfway through this chapter, and started -finally!- being just "Jin", that was actually... sort of sweet, in a strange hopeful way. Because it didn't feel like before, when Kame was trying to treat him like a human being because he thought it was the right thing to do. This time maybe he has, in truth, realized Jin is an actual person. I think. Hope. It feels that way, anyhow. And enough about Jin already.
I was strangely proud of Kame all through this chapter -yeah wtf?!- because while the crazy is still going strong -some things just can't be denied-, at least now he's losing it with some awareness, you know? Seeing things for what they are instead of, well, whatever he's been imagining all along. And even though it's not the first he has noticed Jin was terrified, it's probably the first time he actually, genuinely cared. And that... well, makes me a bit hopeful too, that. Like maybe they can fix this whole mess they've created, after all, those two imbeciles.
And I'll shut up now. But. Lovely chapter! Really. Interesting and meaningful and maybe a bit painful -but I guess that's to be expected, right? And I might be a bit impressed by how it kind of shocked me and then, not really, but it still made me cringe from time to time because things felt so awkward and strange and oddly calm -dangerous, thin ice calm- between them, but at the same time, they were trying, and I was thrilled, overjoyed, at seeing them finally make an effort. And I might have been rendered a bit incoherent, but I'm sure you'll forgive that. Because I tried. Too.
So!
Thank you for this wonderful update♪♪
Cheers!
(Moar! o(>< )oｏ( ><)o )
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Date: 2011-08-18 01:19 pm (UTC)But! The thing is, if I didn't know those things I'd have no idea where to start looking for them, because they're... daily life things, observational learning, the kind of stuff that is just too common to come up anywhere, I guess. So... I've been wondering for a while, if you've maybe lived there at some point, or if you really are just that good. Careful. Whatever.
That.
D:
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Date: 2011-08-19 02:00 pm (UTC)The Japan/Tokyo things -- 'careful' is one word for it. :-) Seriously, though, it's probably just that we are obsessive compulsive researchers. We haven't ever lived in Japan, though Solo has travelled there twice for holiday. (We love the internet.)
But usually it's just to satisfy our own OCD needs -- it's great to get a comment like this and know somebody else got something out of those little fact-checking missions! Thank you!
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Date: 2011-08-25 01:48 pm (UTC)I caught a bunch of references that I had completely overlooked the first time, -of course at the time I had no idea what they were referring to, so they were easy to miss. Back then, I noticed them, and maybe wondered, but eventually moved on. Now, however, they're actually quite telling. They made sense back then, too, but I was only assuming what they might mean as opposed to, you know, knowing. D:
Character reactions, too, surprised me. I realized one can actually get a lot of insight into one character from the other's point of view -seems obvious, right? But I guess after one week the details were no longer that fresh in my memory...
It was a good idea, I think, reading it again. Not as intriguing as the first time -well, duh- but, enlightening, somehow. Very. I'm glad I did. I think their personalities -amongst other things- make more sense to me now (^^)
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Date: 2011-08-25 06:23 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-08-19 01:57 pm (UTC)LOL, your reaction to Jin is priceless. :-) You'll find out a bit of what he was thinking, it's... complicated.
That Jin stops being just the whore to Kame is kind of crucial, so we're really happy that made an impression and sent the right kind of signals.
Hey, what do you mean, 'enough about Jin'? Can there be such a thing??
We love your description of the changes going on with Kame. And we actually understand feeling proud of him (and, yes, the WTF that comes with that!). Yes, this isn't just politeness for him, he's suddenly caring. About time, too. And caring at a really crucial time.
And the calm - yes. Just like you say. :D They're still unsure how to do this thing but somehow finally they both want to.
Thank you for this great comment, it reassured us that some stuff we were trying to do actually worked!
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Date: 2011-08-18 01:02 pm (UTC)but as much as that short part freaked me out, the rest of the chapter was... i don't know how to say this without sounding disturbing, but... idk, extremely touching and telling emotion-wise. the way you have Kame so close to breaking down in the beginning, and then afterwards, when he's not really dealing with it yet, just doing one thing after another, and worrying about Jin, and breaking like a hundred patterns he had established, and then, in the end, realizing he's not the man he thought he was.
and jin... god, i'm both dreading and hoping for the next chapter that has his pov. this is really huge. and i wonder if he thought kame wouldn't take him up on it, or if (which hurts even more to think about, omg Jin ;___;) he thinks because it happened to him in the past it won't matter anymore if it happens again, that he'll deal with it because he already had to, and because he doesn't do this, even though he did it this time, and it's... god how bad Kame must've looked for Jin to offer this, and... how strong jin is, for even offering. though he took on more than he could handle in the end. Seeing jin so... different through Kame's eyes, afterwards, and in the bathroom, and later in the car, managing to speak and offer Kame food, and all the while as a reader not knowing what he was thinking, what this might mean, that was, for me, the most heartbreaking aspect of this chapter.
I'm sorry that this is largely incoherent mumbling, but this isn't something i like to read, or ever read, and idk if i'll ever read this chapter again (knowing me, i will, next time i'm rereading everything in one go ._.), but somehow, in the context of this story as a whole, i still think it was a great, great chapter. And fantastically written.
tl;dr bec i have issues >.>
Date: 2011-08-18 10:01 pm (UTC)For once, he needs to see what Jin feels, he needs a connection, because maybe, it's the only thing keeping him from falling, that gives him enough strenghth to look Jin in the eyes and face what he did there: It's the last thing he wants, some barrier of sound between them now, but Jin might find the empty silence uncomfortable. again, it's about what jin wants now. i feel so much... idk for Kame there, the way he is suddenly this human being, who has done something horrible, but who has lost all the facade, all the pretensions, and just tries his best to make things right again, without calculating his every move and word. he just is, this is not a gig, where he has to do what's proper, what someone else might consider right, like every moment of his life since Souji may have been - this is about what he feels is or isn't right.
And he never, ever thought about being seen with Jin in the car, only about the drunk driving thing. For someone who's so paranoid and afraid he won't even risk casual lunches or friendly talks with his male costars, who's always wondering about who might see what and report whatever, this is... outstanding, i think. it's like he switched off everything else, and for once, there's... nothing between them. and when he's beating himself up for thinking it would make things right (of course, that right meant something else), i couldn't help but think, what they got from this is that the balance has shifted, that they're on more equal, bare ground, that this might be the basis for a new start that might, eventually, make things right, if there even is something like that.
And Jin... Jin is... the second time reading this, i'm even more sure he not only knew what he was getting into, that the offer was serious, but that he even pushed Kame on, that maybe, he felt that this was the way to make Kame get over his anger toward Souji. I don't know how else to interpret this: "How about it," the whore says, low and knowing. "Kazuya." he is... channeling souji here...isn't he? And it worked. That guy is haunting Kame in every shadow on Jin's face before, but afterwards, he never thinks of him. Jin is just Jin then, his own person, and Souji has vanished, and Jin, who is not Souji, shouldn't kneel there anymore. (but probably i'm way out of the window with this)
Jin afterwards... if Kame's perception can be trusted, he only comes back "alive" after he is offered to clean up; that's when he looks scared, when he looks like nothing makes sense, maybe because this doesn't end like the horrible thing in the past ended, maybe that's why he seems like he's drowning.
"I'll get dressed," Jin says, going tense with slow resolve,...
"I've been worse," he says, still staring past Kame. "It's okay." jin. oh god. this was so hard to read. he wanted to... and he still didn't expect Kame to continue being careful and emphatic with him, like he didn't think to ask for fresh pants because he didn't think he'd get them? i don't know. i feel like i don't know anything anymore. like Kame.
Re: tl;dr bec i have issues >.> - end
Date: 2011-08-18 10:02 pm (UTC)i'm glad i reread this. i think... the pissing aside, i think this is my favourite chapter.
Re: tl;dr bec i have issues >.>
Date: 2011-08-19 07:04 pm (UTC)And this is a truly awesome comment! You have no idea how wonderful it is to get this, and see all the things you picked up and how they worked!
You're totally right, of course, the chapter wasn't about the pissing at all. (To be honest, we worried, a bit, when it turned out that this was going to be The Thing That Happens, that it might be too distracting from what's really the point of the chapter.
Also that people would only go OMGWTFBBQ and run screaming into the night.) It's the chapter where Kame finally shocks himself out of that attitude he's had almost since the beginning and which only got worse since he got more stressed out and then the whole Souji thing swamped his mind again. And yes, Jin turns into a person for him.Kame there, the way he is suddenly this human being, who has done something horrible, but who has lost all the facade, all the pretensions, and just tries his best to make things right again, without calculating his every move and word. he just is, this is not a gig, where he has to do what's proper, what someone else might consider right, like every moment of his life since Souji may have been - this is about what he feels is or isn't right.
This made us quite tearful. (With happiness. *g*) Basically, yes.
what they got from this is that the balance has shifted, that they're on more equal, bare ground, that this might be the basis for a new start that might, eventually, make things right
And this, too. :-)
he is... channeling souji here...isn't he?
It's definitely a Souji reminder for Kame, and Jin does it very pointedly to give him the final push.
(but probably i'm way out of the window with this)
No, you are completely on the mark. That's totally what went on there, and the fact that you're mentioning it makes us grin like idiots. :D
like he didn't think to ask for fresh pants because he didn't think he'd get them?
Hm, more because he was too dazed and caught up in... stuff... for it to even occur to him. He wasn't doing well in that bathroom, and certainly not capable of extended rational thought. ;-) But you're definitely on to something with Jin not really expecting the careful and gentle treatment -- so even while he didn't really have the frame of mind to think at all, he was certainly in no position to count on Kame being... well, like he is afterwards, and so then that's a pretty big deal.
Don't ever apologize for spamming us with your comments. Your comments are GREATNESS! ♥♥♥
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Date: 2011-08-19 06:59 pm (UTC)We were actually wondering how much the last two chapters might let anyone suspect that their meeting here would have some very strong trainwreck elements. Not so much the specifics, we admit that that was rather... unforeseeable. (Though hopefully in retrospect not implausible.)
Thank you for taking our warnings seriously; we don't warn lightly (and prefer not to warn at all).
And nope, it doesn't sound disturbing when you call the rest of the chapter 'touching' - we did hope that it would make a difference that Kame finally comes to his senses and takes the first steps to truly
turning into a useful individualsorting things out.Jin... yes, you'll get his POV in the next chapter. But going by the stuff Kame previously pulled on him, we don't think Jin had any reason to doubt that Kame would take him up on it. We adore your description of the rest, what you say of your thought processes and speculations there. Yeah, Jin did overestimate what he could handle, just a bit. He's not perfect...
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Date: 2011-08-18 03:01 pm (UTC)and now begins another long wait -.-
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Date: 2011-08-19 07:05 pm (UTC)Thank you for the feedback!
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Date: 2011-08-20 10:03 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-08-18 04:28 pm (UTC)Now I'm very, very mad at Kame... How can he do THAT to Jin? AHHH!! No matter how bad he was in the past or that Jin offered to him. The way Jin have to sacrifice for him It's just... It's no fair =( Why always Jin?? Poor him!! He is too kind. I hope Kame will compensate for him in the next chapters. This would be awkward between them later?
I like this history a lot, really, the way you wrote it is amazing. It's like if I could see it. Thanks again for a wonderful chapter. I'm waiting for next. ^^
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Date: 2011-08-19 07:11 pm (UTC)Well, Kame wasn't really very sane at the time? And Jin even used that to push him into it. So...
...so you're right anyway, he deserves to have you mad at him! :-) But at least he realized himself that this wasn't really a good thing to do, so there's some hope that the 'compensation' you're looking for may happen at some point. (Hey, he already gave him a t-shirt!)
Thank you so much for commenting!
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Date: 2011-08-19 02:23 am (UTC)O_O
After all that, the chaotic, CRUEL, sheer INTENSITY of this chapter, I just can think: Jin gave Kame a peanut bar. And I'm happy... ok, I need therapy, I know XD
This fic has become my reason to survive my job!!! *_*
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Date: 2011-08-19 07:12 pm (UTC)Sorry to be cruel, we didn't even mean to. :p
This fic has become my reason to survive my job!!!
We're glad we're making a valuable contribution to society! *g* But, thank you. And nice to see you around again! Hope next week won't disappoint!
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Date: 2011-08-19 04:04 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2011-08-19 07:12 pm (UTC)We're glad the chapters answered a few questions, too. Hope you'll enjoy next week, too, and thank you very much for commenting!
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Date: 2011-08-19 07:08 am (UTC)Kame. As usual it's so painful to read him, he such a basket case.
I really wanted him to step up and decline Jin's "offer", or at least not to agree so readily. But at least he apologized.
It was interesting to read near the end that he'd tried it before!?
He is full of surprises here.
And Jin.. Jin! What happened? Why the sudden and drastic change. I didn't see it coming at all, were did his resolve to decline Kame's kinks go? I really need to know more about his past to understand why he offered this of all things in the first place..
We already know that Jin has a big heart, but here he is practically a saint XD or more like Kame's healer or therapist. Came along to mend Kame's broken spirit and mind (and hopefully, eventually his heart) with some twisted shock therapy.
And it helped cause the "useless whore" changed into jin, with Jin facing his own demons and anxieties to get him there.
I guess they are both saving each other.
So this is a progress.I hope it keeps up.. Or are we heading for another fall..?
And I defiantly need to know more about their pasts in order to understand what happened here and why?
Shall wait till next week to find out :)
Thanks for a great update!
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Date: 2011-08-19 07:25 pm (UTC)That's kind of what he's thinking at the end of it too. >.< But, well. As you're saying, basket case. He's not really operating on full mental capacity there. But yeah, he finally apologized properly for something.
(He hasn't tried it before, actually! Maybe we were a bit confusing with words somewhere, but this was very much new to Kame.)
And yes, things are definitely changing!
We hope the next chapter will hightlight some of what was going through Jin's mind, and we also hope it'll make a sort of sense. :-) It's basically lots of things coming together. (And worth bearing in mind that when he went to this date, he felt in a much stronger position in general, so the need to go 'so there, you jerk!' to Kame was much less strong to begin with.)
We already know that Jin has a big heart, but here he is practically a saint XD or more like Kame's healer or therapist.
In a twisted way, yes. :-) He really didn't like it when Kame was trying to, erm, therapize himself at Jin's expense earlier, but that was a wholly different thing, and, well. Jin is
pretty much a sapvery responsive to people who had their hearts broken by boyfriends. >.<I guess they are both saving each other.
We certainly hope so, in the end! :-)
And we don't think it's a spoiler to say that this was indeed a turn in their... interaction. *g*
We hope you like next week, and thank you for this great comment!
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Date: 2011-08-19 09:09 am (UTC)Jin apologizes, and we all know he really means it.
He does what he believes is the right thing to do even though he thinks Kame is a jerk, and isn't aware of the affect that his apology has on Kame.
Jin's point of view would have been nice here. To see through his eyes as he observes Kame just absolutely breaking. The poor guy isn't thinking straight in the slightest, forgetting about work he had recently authorized and spur of the moment booking Jin, trying so hard to not lose it... And it was all so plain and obvious to Jin. I mean... for Jin... to.. offer... you know... that.
Not going to lie, I wasn't expecting that. I mean, Kame didn't suggest it, didn't come up with it, and I don't think I'm wrong in thinking that he hadn't considered something like that before, so it caught me a bit off guard. (unless I missed something and need to re-read some stuff)
Jin seemed to be trying to think of the worst things he could, in order to... help Kame? Did he really look that broken? He suggests more and more, probably mistaking Kame's blank expression for disapproval, for him wanting something more, something WORSE. Just the fact that it was Jin who brought it up... Is he really that caring, or did Kame just look THAT broken?
"He doesn't get it, but he got that. If Jin did this, they wouldn't be here, like this. If Jin did this, he wouldn't be in such a state. Jin doesn't do this."
I'm honestly not angry at Kame for going through with it. A little shocked, yes but, well, who wouldn't be. He's obviously not in his right mind, and he seemed to agree to it not out of disdain for Jin or desire to get off on overpowering him, but simply to get Jin to stop talking about Souji and that scandal and stop the confusion that is streaming through him.
And he very obviously felt horrible about the fact that he did do it. Kame's not a complete heartless asshole, just a very messed up individual. He's not IN to that kind of thing.
"...it got everywhere, and he pissed on Jin's face, and now… now… now maybe he shouldn't go to pieces.
Jin looks like Kame shouldn't go to pieces.
Jin shouldn't kneel there anymore."
Jin became a person afterward, a person he had wronged, and Kame was properly repentant about it. He lets Jin shower and gives him clothes, drives Jin home, offers to clean his clothes, agrees to not telling Ootomo. Jin gives Kame a peanut bar.
Kame apologizes, and we all know he really means it.
They can't go any lower. (or can they O.o) Things have to get better for them from here on.
(...unless you two have something even sicker in mind... *shudders*)
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Date: 2011-08-19 07:34 pm (UTC)It... could have been worse? :-D
We could have... put in a chapter break while Jin was in the bathroom?Yes, Jin's POV would have been interesting, we do see that. But for a couple of key points, Kame's POV was the more crucial one to write here, really. And we're actually quite reassured and pleased because you got what was going on with Jin and how he had to watch Kame fall apart there excellently, despite us not being in his head. As for remaining mysteries, we hope next week's chapter will add its details there!
Nobody was expecting it, really, until Jin stood there watching Kame break down. No, Kame had never considered anything like it, you're right; the humiliation crap he has done to Jin was rather more harmless. Jin had reasons for thinking of it, though, when he thought something stronger might be needed.
We're quite relieved that you're not angry with Kame. Exactly, he wasn't in his right mind, and you could almost say Jin pushed him. And yeah. He just wanted Jin to shut up while he could still keep it together.
You're completely right about the change that has taken place. So... we'd say there is hope now that we won't be throwing anything even sicker (huh, sick? naaaah!) at them. *g*
Hope but no guarantees. Mwahahha.Thank you for this great comment, you picked out a number of things that were very dear to our hearts! :-D You got it exactly right about what happens after you-know-what, with Kame being careful and trying to take care of Jin and, yes, basically seeing him as a person. And it's a very important peanut bar.
Thank you so much! ♥♥♥
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Date: 2011-08-19 09:16 am (UTC)its rare to feel like i am feeling after reading a fic...but i sort of feel disturbed about what occurred between the two of them at kame's...but at the same time feel sort of relieved?.
gosh.
i feel like maybe this could make things either too awkward at their next meeting...or maybe their connection will take a different turn. we shall see =)
thank you for the update...i havent missed a chapter yet...but since i failed to comment on the last...i just want to express my utter excitement every week that you post!
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Date: 2011-08-19 07:26 pm (UTC)We know exactly what you mean, actually. Given what's going on in the chapter and how things are developing, that just makes total sense to us. (And pleases us as authors.)
Hope next week won't disappoint! We're very glad you're still enjoying the story, and thank you for letting us know. (Especially with this chapter, where we honestly had some... concerns... how it was going to go over.) Yay!
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Date: 2011-08-19 10:12 am (UTC)Jin's forgiveness for kame come in a very surprising way for me, that way either he is an unbelievable M or he's just know how to put all kame's misery through that way or maybe he's just simply feeling guilty about laughing at kame's problem. But all what happened has brought kame to his senses, about what he's been doing to jin all this time, as many said he hit rock bottom already ;)what more surprising is how jin's reaction to kame after that, he seemed like he has no fear and loathing towards kame anymore. all he can think about was Ootomo's reaction if he's found out, he even offered kame his peanut bars as if his weird thought about kame is vanished and they can see each others more clearly well at least about kame's problem.
i have high expectation for this fic, after this chapter i'm hoping maybe finally there'll be some romance, angst, mystery or anything that can add the thrill to the story ;)
thank you for the up date ^^
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Date: 2011-08-21 09:09 am (UTC)Jin probably surprised himself a little, but he did feel guilty for laughing at Kame's past experiences with a boyfriend, and, well, it was a very complicated moment. It did bring Kame to his senses, as you say, and Jin... you describe very well what he was like afterwards, and we hope next week is going to shed some more light on what was going on with him there!
What, you're not getting enough angst, you want more?? Hmm, we'll have to see what we can do... ;-) But we're also ready for some ~more romance-like developments~ so we hope in the long term we won't let you down. :-)
Thank you for commenting and telling us what you thought of what was going on in the chapter, this was lovely feedback!
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Date: 2011-08-19 02:48 pm (UTC)Anyways, as much as their encounter this time is probably the most humiliating and disrespectful one (sex-wise at least) it strikes me how they act respectful and normal with each other after that! Something is on the roll here and the story definitively has taken a new turn.
And Jin said "kazuya" for the first time!!
Also....kame does not refer to him as "the whore" anymore after this but as "Jin" ;) yay.
As awful as their encounter was in a way, I think it's cool how you wrote it. Kame's confusion was very vivid in this chapter. And Jin was really awesome <3 I like the way you made him frown. It's very "Jin" ;))
Can't read next thursday but I'll catch up...
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Date: 2011-08-21 09:10 am (UTC)Anyways, as much as their encounter this time is probably the most humiliating and disrespectful one (sex-wise at least) it strikes me how they act respectful and normal with each other after that!
Yeah, pretty much. :-) And something is developing, for sure. They are changing in each other's perceptions and something has shifted that... well, it's not just going to go on as before, let's just say that. :-)
And thank you for the praise regarding the writing. It was not easy to get this down on paper, so we're glad to hear it paid off.
Next week's chapter will still be there when you have some time, so we hope you'll enjoy it then! Thanks very much for the lovely feedback, we're glad you are still enjoying! (We were a leeetle bit worried about this chapter at some points...)
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Date: 2011-08-19 07:26 pm (UTC)They way everything played out was insane!
But i do wish I could read a Jin POV. I want to know what made him suggest such a thing, what was he thinking during his shower, what was going on in his head during the drive home...all these things that I want to know!
Thanks for a great chapter!
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Date: 2011-08-21 09:10 am (UTC)LOL yes, that's a great summary. Thank you so much for the praise. This chapter was tricky to write at times, so that's great to hear.
We hope next week will be a little more satisfying with regard to Jin's POV on this, and that some remaining mysteries will become clearer. ;-)
Thank you for the feedback!
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Date: 2011-08-20 04:34 pm (UTC)In the beginning I wanted to go at his throat so badly for thinking as what instead of who of Jin, you really pushed it to the limit here.
But gladly, going to the worst extreme (I hope) Kame can reach has finally made something snap back and he realized what he's been doing and suddenly Jin is a human being again.
I can't tell you how glad I am you posted this out of Kame's POV first because if it'd have been Jin's, I wonder I could've stayed this calm without knowing about the change.
I wonder what made Jin agree on that. He can't be so desperate to be on good terms with a 'good' client (he at least isn't 60 and Jin probably gets the most money out of their appointments).
Ok, you say he's a compassionate guy but would he go to this extent to help Kame over his trauma? I mean, he probably sensed the magnitude and maybe realized what Kame tried to do when he was treating him the way he did. (At least even Jin mentioned that himself.)
Well, guess I'll see next week. Obviously I couldn't stay away from reading after all, even though I always have to wait for the weekend because of crazy work conditions.
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Date: 2011-08-21 09:28 am (UTC)Wow, okay. We are... kind of relieved. :)
But gladly, going to the worst extreme (I hope) Kame can reach has finally made something snap back and he realized what he's been doing and suddenly Jin is a human being again.
Yes. That was kind of... the point we needed to reach. He's finally shocked himself back into (comparative) sanity, and into seeing Jin for who he actually is.
As for Jin, hopefully things will become a bit clearer next week, but you're right, he had a pretty good idea what the way Kame treated him like previously was about, and he took that to the next level.
We're very happy you couldn't stay away from reading. :) Sorry to hear about your work; is it always that crazy?
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Date: 2011-08-22 10:13 pm (UTC)But I'd never complain, I love it.
Looking forward to get more insight and of course, where things will lead from here on.
With Jin telling Kame he 'doesn't do things like this', he should realize what he did for him...at least he should.
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Date: 2011-08-23 07:39 pm (UTC)And you're right about Kame and realising. Well, he already caught a few clues, so there's hope? ;-)
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Date: 2011-08-22 12:02 pm (UTC)But, we have progress between them finally. Yay! The aftermath of the encounter was almost sweet (The borrowed clothes, the drive home and the peanut bar). Kame now sees Jin as his own person - not Souji, not a whore - just Jin. And Jin's opinion must have evolved even more as well (he was already softening up a bit with reading up on Kame but to offer what he did, Kame must have looked just as close to the edge on the outside as he did on the inside, and then with Kame treating him like a person on the way home).
Looking forward to the next chapter.
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Date: 2011-08-23 07:36 pm (UTC)I mean he suggested it (and even goaded Kame into it to a degree) and yet it freaked him out as much as Kame in the end.
Yeah... one might say this did not go entirely according to plan.
But it definitely counts as progress. (Um.) We're glad you liked the aftermath, and yeah, some things definitely changed for Kame.
(he was already softening up a bit with reading up on Kame but to offer what he did, Kame must have looked just as close to the edge on the outside as he did on the inside, and then with Kame treating him like a person on the way home)
That is basically the last two chapters, yes. YAY We're really pleased by this comment too, and very happy we seem to have got their development across. Thank you very much for this feedback, and we hope the next chapter will be enjoyable to a certain extent too! ;-)
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Date: 2011-08-25 01:50 am (UTC)BUT...Come ON girls!
After all the showers u've made Jin take!NOW THE PISS!!! :s
MY god!Now!Enough is enough!Poor baby...Jin's already said in an interview he's got dry skin type,so stop torturing him already...:**
SERIOUSLY!In the misdt of all this madness,we can sense some kind of improvement in their relationship and how they're slowly becoming more than a whore and a client!
And as much as i wanted Jin to stand up for himself & kick Kame's tralala,i m not in the slightest surprised by Jins need to abase himself.Yes,at the same time i want Jin to wake up,and it irks me to see him acts like this,but i also want the 2 of them to give in,to go to the bottom of their insecurities and maybe they'll be able to overtop this unreason.I've also noticed they really took the time to establish contact here though it's really tense as ever and i liked the slight but noticeable changes in their relationship with... a "sorry" from Kame!WOW!Now,that's new!!!Is Jin becoming less than a whore and more a human being in K's eyes???Indeed,i was so happy that he doesnt want Jin dirty with damp clothes or let him go all alone at night,or the way he acknowledges him more as Jin and not so much as Souji when he checked on Jin in the bathroom for instance!Oh and Jin with the candy bar!That was so sweeeeeeeeeeet!Yes,aside the weird sex scene,akame were so cute here and there.
To me there were such big changes.RIght?One more chapter & Kame will be at Jins place to redecorate everything!
I must say,i really enjoy the fact that the two of them r so fucked up,and that there's not one of the two who's not so tormented,kind of leads the way for the other & acts like a savior...NOT HERE!
I also appreciate the lack of kisses so far in this story cause its not yet about tenderness or affection,and that sounds really... true to life.Indeed,i like the way u're not rushing everything & making the plot moving slowly!Thats great!
Now,maybe it's just me,but i think the last chapters lack the sexiness feeling(OK,as much as pissing in someones face can be sexy XD)BUT i've always like the way u've combined sultriness,erotism with angst,since it creates such an intense atmosphere.
But maybe this fic needs to be more gloomy at this point???U tell me...
Wow,my comment's already too long,i'd better stop rambling now :)
Finally,i wanna know how these two freaks r going to be able to transform all this craziness and suffering into Love;that's a fascinating ascension to observe!
From a piss on ur face to the Chapel Of Love! lol
Sorry for not commenting for so long,but i was so angry u've made MY Sho 4O yo with children...Then,at least,i thought u didnt make him bald or sthg,so i was able to forgivE U ;p
Seriously,life's been pretty complicated & blablabla......and i may not be in a position to comment on every chapter,but i want u to know i am still very enthusiastic about this story!
Sorry for my bad english sometimes and plz,keep up the good work! ;)
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Date: 2011-08-25 04:30 pm (UTC)You're right to worry about Jin's skin, with all the showering! He actually uses an expensive lotion to take care of it, but that's not going to be mentioned for another few chapters. Good thinking!
We're happy you sensed the improvement in their relationship, we hoped that would work out. They really do need each other, in some bizarre way. Though Jin should have kicked Kame's tralala (LOL) long ago!
Um, yeah, we thought that making a barely consensual golden shower *sexy* as well would be... well. Not so much inappropriate, there's no doubt golden showers can be sexy under the right circumstances for the right people, but it wouldn't work with these characters. It's really not hot for either of them, so we couldn't write it that way. And neither Kame nor Jin really enjoyed the date before that either, so... the last time anybody actually had fun on one of their dates was quite a while ago. But no worries, we hope the sexytimes will come back. :-)
From a piss on ur face to the Chapel Of Love!
Hee. Uh, yeah. We hope. *g*
Sorry sorry sorry about Sho, but it's in the nature of the club that the people who can afford it would mostly be older. 40 is still pretty young, really, most of the guys who hang out there are in their 50s or so, and hey, we made Koyama around 60! ;-) And yes, Sho is good looking and he's actually, as you saw, a nice guy! He gets to have Jin, and Jin even has a reasonably good time! That's kind of special, too, since Jin really barely puts up with most of his clients.
Your English is great, and your comments are totally not too long! It was great to hear from you again! We hope your life uncomplicates itself, and that you continue to enjoy. Thank you for getting in touch again, we really do appreciate it.